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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

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  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  Good night Cofty.
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  @Cofty

  I am definitely comparing a Christian worldview with an Atheist worldview.... as we should with all worldviews. We should take the time to see if they are at least consistent. We all owe this to ourselves after suffering the abuse of the WT.

  You have taken everything I and nicolaou have said and presented it as the exact opposite of what we actually said.

  Can you give me an example?
  
  
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  I think that means you are all out of explanations Cofty, at least for now. If you can think of anything else that can account for objective atheist morality, other than :

  * conventions

  * descriptions

  * physiology

  Please let me know.

  All worldviews other than the Christian worldview are ultimately irrational, inconsistent & arbitrary.

  - Sea Breeze
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  Objective morality is the task of making moral judgements on the basis of a standard we can agree on with others.

  @ Cofty
  
  I have already commented on the presupposition of convention in responding to TonusOh. One country says driving on the right side of the road is correct. Another country does just the opposite and states it is correct. So, convention cannot expalin objective atheist morality if it is just agreed upon rules.

  We know the basic needs of other humans since we all share the same physiology.

  But we don't all share the same physiology, so it is impossible for you to know anything based upon that explanation. My brain chemistry is different than your brain chemistry. Furthermore, in your world view why would I care about the basic human needs of others if we are simply chemical reactions?

  Would you try to save the baking soda if you saw that it was periously close to coming into contact with vinegar? Would you feel bad and have regret if you did not? Of course not, I'm sure you would agree that is absurd.

  Any other possible explanations for atheist objective morality?
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  Cofty,

  You seem reluctant to engage. I answered your question. Now answer mine. Do you have anything other than what you have already presented as a possible atheist-friendly explanation regarding the origin of atheist objective morality?
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  Objective morality: Rules and expectations that would be the same for you and me, even though we may have different opinions, positions in life, influence etc.
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  Why don't you define objective morality? You've already said that the term: "morals" is simply descriptive in nature. So, in your view does objective morality (as opposed to subjective morality) exist?
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  Morals are simply the name we give to the way we choose to act towards other conscious creatures.

  Got it.

  So, allow me to clarify a bit. Are you saying that in your view all of our moral choices are equal? Or, is there such a thing as objective morality?
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  Cofty, nice red herring. This thread is about moral responsibility. I look forward to addressing any of your assumptions on topic related threads.

  Now, like I asked you before - do you have any other sources for your morality other than what you have already presented that you'd like to discuss? Or, is that about it?
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  Anyone know what this sculpture is of the "torture stake?"

  by charity7 in

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  2. beliefs

  hey guys!

  i'm new on this site and am a non jw here married to a jw.

  my husband's family are active members and they daily post articles on facebook from jw.org which i know is meant for me to see and read.

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  Sea Breeze

  Welcome to the board Charity.

  Here area some early references to the cross:

  Alexamenos graffito

  
  

  Pompeii, Roman and Herculaneum